This article was updated on January 8, 2022
Quilter Cheviot Review – are they are a good option? That will be the topic of today’s article.
Quilter Cheviot, also known as Quilter Cheviot Investment Management, are a Discretionary Fund Manager (DFM).
They are currently owned by one of the largest players in both the UK and offshore expat financial arena (Old Mutual), and also have their own fund ranges.
They have around $30billion assets under management and this number keeps increasing.
They are based in the UK, Jersey , Dubai and are used by some advisors in the expat arena.
This article will review the firm, alongside suggesting what you can do if you have a portfolio with the company.
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How are DFM’s used?
Increasingly, many expat financial companies are outsourcing the financial management to DFMs. So the financial advisor is selecting the DFM’s they recommend, and then using them to select investments.
In this model, the advisor is simply doing the “financial planning” part of the operation, such as finding out how much money the client can afford to invest, but then is outsourcing the investment management part of the puzzle.
What are the options available with Quilter Cheviot ?
They have a Managed Portfolio Service for those with £25,000 + to invest and a Discretionary Portfolio Service for people with £200,000 or more to invest.
What are the fees?
The fees are listed as:
- 0.75% on non-Sterling security transactions
- 0.5% for financial advisor subscription
They also charge a quarterly management fee. The total fees will largely depend on how much your advisor charges and what platform is being used.
If they are used in tandem with OMI, you will get a discount on the management fee, but the total net fees could exceed 2% or 3% if you factor in all the layers of charges.
Why might investors lose to the market?
Quilter Cheviot try to use research to identify future trends. This is almost impossible to do, alongside beating the market, after the net fees.
There are so many unknown unknowns and known unknowns, that being able to “out research” the market is almost impossible.
Even if you are able to beat the market gross, the net returns might be lower, adjusted for such charges. 80% of investors fail to beat the S&P500 over 5 year periods and around 98% of investors fail to beat it over 40-50 years.
Lower volatility and diversification, moreover, doesn’t always lower your risk.
How about the performance during the 2020 bear market?
So far during the 2020 crisis, Quilter Cheviot multi-asset returns haven’t performed especially well, compared to a mixed portfolio of index and bond funds.
Their climate assets and Libero funds haven’t done well during the 2020 beat market.
Quilter Cheviot just like everybody else, couldn’t have seen this crisis coming, and markets will recover in due course.
The point is though, it is hard to “out research the market” by doing loads of research, if you live in a world with loads of unknown unknowns and known unknowns.
Quilter Cheviot are a professional company that have their fingers in many pies.
Their funds aren’t bad, and they aren’t a good company. However, many of their funds and investments have underperformed the market.
What can you do if you have an underperforming portfolio?
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In the answers below I focused on:
- Is $1m enough to retire in the UK, the US, Canada and most developed countries these days?
- How about if you have $5m or $10m invested or saved up – is it enough for a luxury retirement?
- Is $300,000 enough to retire in a place like Thailand, Cambodia and other countries in South East Asia?
- How much do you need to retire early and is it a good idea to begin with?
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Thailand now has a huge retirement population. Hot weather, good food and great beaches make life here easy for many., Bangkok, Hua Hin, Chiang Mai, Chang Rai and Phuket are all popular expat destinations.
Medical facilities in Thailand are world-class, so much that Thailand is now a health tourism location. With world-class facilities offering heart bypass’ from $10,000, you can see why.
Expats coming from the UK and Europe are better off still getting expat insurance though, and for the over 65s, this will cost at least $200-$300 a month, so is a substantial extra cost compared to being in the UK or Spain. If you have pre-existing conditions, moreover, you may not get insured.
To get a retirement visa, there are some financial requirements. You need to have a bank account with THB 800,000 (about $25,000) and double that (close to $50,000) for a couple, or a monthly income of THB 65,000 (around $2,000 a month), or a combination of a bank account and income that exceeds THB 800,000.
After meeting this requirement, you must then obtain a one-year retirement visa. To get this you must be 50, have a Thai bank book and a letter from your bank in Thailand. In addition, you will need to provide pictures, a passport and departure cards.
You will also need to get an `extension of stay’ notice and a re-entry permit. This will allow you to re-enter the country if you leave it. Finally, you must report to immigration every 90 days to check in and verify the address you are living in. If you have ever been deported from Thailand or had any sort of criminal history you may not get the visa.
For people under 50 who are financial independent and retired, you will need to find another solution. One is to enroll on a Thai language course or another education course. Spend a limited amount of money, and get a student visa. In 2017, a `digital nomad visa` was introduced. Called a Smart Visa, it is designed for business people.
They have currently limited the applicants to startup business owners, investors, high-level executives, or other highly-skilled professionals. Visa rules are always changing, but if you have a decent budget and you are under 50, you should be able to get a visa. Spending 2-3 months a year in Thailand on a tourist visa if you live elsewhere in SE Asia, is very easy.
One of the biggest mistakes I have seen in Thailand is underestimating costs. Many Thais live off $1,000 a month or less, and you can too. But this doesn’t include luxuries. To travel a bit domestically and internationally, sometimes eat out, get insured and so on will cost you between $1,500-$2,500 depending on your tastes and expectations. A luxury retirement with maids and big house, may cost at least $4,000-$5,000 a month.
I lived in Jakarta in 2013-2014. Indonesia does attract expats as it is the biggest economy in South East Asia. Jakarta is an expat destination but not a retirement destination. It has some of the worst traffic I have seen, prices are expensive (especially for alcohol) and it is a business city.
Bali and some other beach resorts, in comparison, are laid back and cheaper. You can live in Bali in a villa and enjoy a luxury lifestyle of spas and massages, all for $2000. A more modest lifestyle can be had for $1,000-$1,500.
What did surprise me about Indonesia was how strict immigration can be. I found Indonesians some of the friendliest people I have met, but immigration at the airport were an exception. It was curious for me, as for most foreigners from high-income countries, why would they go to Indonesia on a tourist visa to take money from the non-existence Indonesian welfare system?
Based on that experience, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that there are numerous requirements to retire in Indonesia. In Indonesia, the age in which you can get a retirement visa is 55, 5 years older than Thailand. The other requirements include:
• Possess a passport or travel documents with more than 18 months remaining validity
• Copy of all passport pages
• A copy of your resume
• A copy of your marriage certificate, if you are married
• Proof of $18,000 per year of income. This will come from statements from your bank or investment funds. Married retired couples must both prove an individual income of $1500/month and apply separately.
• Proof of medical/health Insurance, life insurance, and third-party personal liability insurance in country of origin or Indonesia
• Statement of living accommodation in Indonesia. Minimum cost of US$35,000 if purchased house/apartment or, a minimum rental cost of US$500/month in Jakarta, Bandung, and Bali; US$300/month for other cities in Java Island, Batam, and Medan, and other cities a minimum US$ 200/month.
• Statement to declare intent to employ an Indonesian maid and/or driver whilst living in Indonesia
• Payment of Immigration Fee based on effective regulations
• You must sign a lease for housing with a minimum one year period. Alternately you can supply proof that you own a house under an Indonesian spouse’s name.
Cambodia is an off-the-beaten-track location, but is up and coming. People are friendly, it is cheap, growing fast and has an easy visa system. Retirees can come to the airport and get a business visa on arrival, and then renew for up to 2 years a time. Kep and Kampot, moreover, are more relaxed than Phnom Penh or Siem Reap.
Having lived in 5 countries, visited 35 and visited more than 200 cities, I haven’t seen a place as good value as Phnom Penh for some things. Not cheap, but good value. Basic goods like water are more expensive than China or Thailand, but you can go to an excellent French or other international restaurant for lunch for $10. And that is for three courses! A traditional Khmer massage can cost you $6-$7 including a tip.
Sihanoukville has a sleazy reputation, but like Pattaya, has been trying to change its image. Some of the beaches are beautiful. It doesn’t have the same amenities as Phnom Penh or Siem Reap, but it does offer a more relaxed lifestyle.
One of the big positives about Malaysia is that they do have a specific retiree scheme. Started in 1997, it has become popular in particular amongst British retirees, which is unsurprising, given that Malaysia is a former UK colony. That fact means that over 90% of Malaysians speak fluent English. Coupled with the golf courses, natural scenery and excellent climate, this puts Malaysia high on an expat retirees list.
Under the My Malaysia Second Home Program, expats pay a one off fee of $3,000. The program then helps expats get a 10 year visa, and also helps with housing. Like Indonesia, the capital city is more expensive, but the traffic situation is much better. Outside the capital, expat retirees can buy a house for $75,000-$150,000.
Penang is a good destination for retirement. Cheaper and more laid back than Kuala Lumpur, with a good climate and the same excellent food, it offers retirees a great standard of living.
Vietnam doesn’t have as easy visa situation as Cambodia or Malaysia for retirees. But Vietnam is currently in the `sweet spot` of development in HCMC, the most developed city in Vietnam. It is still cheap, but it is developed enough to offer extra conveniences compared to Cambodia, such as readily available taxis and cheaper consumer goods due to economies of scale and other issues.
Even though Vietnam doesn’t currently offer retirement visas, it is relatively easy to stay on tourist and business visas long term. Another negative about Vietnam, is like Cambodia, excellent healthcare can only be found in bigger cities such as Ho Chi Minh. Thailand offers world-class healthcare these days, and health tourism has been their reward. If you get sick or need certain medicines, Vietnam isn’t the best option, even if you get expat medical insurance.
According to International Living (https://internationalliving.com/…), Vietnam comes way down the list when considering a good place to retire. Having said that, I would say most expats (both retirees and working age individuals) seem happy in Cambodia and Vietnam, if they can get used to the way of living.
Spain, Portugal and Greece
Spain is arguably the `original` retiree destination for British, Dutch, Germany and Scandinavian expats. With cheap or subsidized healthcare if you are from the EU (at least for British people until March 2019!), Spain can actually compete on cost with Thailand and Cambodia once you factor in this benefit.
With relatively good costs in some parts of the country, excellent climate and proximity to other European countries, Spain, Greece and Portugal will continue to be popular expat destinations.
In Portugal, retirees outside the EU usually hold Type I visas. That visa requires people to show proof of private health insurance valid in Europe, as well as proof of sufficient funds to support living and a criminal background check. After five years’ residence in Portugal, retirees can apply for a permanent residence visa, with associated healthcare benefits.
Portugal has a great reputation of having friendly locals, an easy-going lifestyle and ease of opening bank accounts. Against that, driving is supposed to be dangerous and Portuguese is a more difficult language to learn for many expats compared to Spanish and French, but that will depend on your native language.
Also in the EU, but certainly not a traditional retirement destination, Bulgaria is an up-and-coming retirement destination. With houses from $55,000, cheap costs and an ever increasing expat community, Bulgaria’s expat community is likely to continue to grow. Similar to Cambodia within Europe, in some ways.
One of the advantages of Bulgaria is it is in the EU, so expats from other EU countries don’t require visas. Non-EU citizens who are retired in their home country can apply for a Bulgarian Pensioner D visa and temporary residence permit. Documents submitted to the embassy will include:
- Documents showing you are entitled to a retirement income, legalized with a notary public.
- Document from a bank in Bulgaria ascertaining that the application has a valid bank account in Bulgaria, where regular transfers can be made
- Evidence of address in Bulgaria
- Medical insurance
Mexico/Dominican Republic/Panama/Costa Rica :
For Americans and Canadians, Mexico and the Dominican Republic are good destinations. The visa situation is very favorable in Dominican Republic, with even overstayers fined a relatively small amount of money.
Mexico has an easy-going lifestyle, but many people are worried about safety. Most of the crimes are committed by people who know each other, such as gang members, so retirees aren’t usually targeted.
For Americans all over the world, getting expat insurance will be cheaper than back home. From experience, most Americans are happier with the overseas insurance situation compared to Europeans. For British people who have grown up in a system where healthcare is free at the point of use, people can feel it is an extra cost.